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Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.16 04:41:00 -
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To be honest irrespective of a democratic process afforded to the CSM I personally believe that Punktani is offfering no respect to principles of what democracy actually means. Nor is he in anyway fullfilling the outlined obligations as set out in the CSM guidelines. His very selfish interest reflects this of which he is farily transparent about. I would not confuse this with honesty about a stance however, just that he is manipulating and working a certain stance for his own ends.
And then we get the ridiculous claims that he is soley responsible in driving CCP development from his "bar bill".
He also supports gaming stances that are clearly against CCP guidelines (e.g. griefing, Botting for his own alliance).
He also prefers to apply his own juvenille use of expletives (some disfavouring disadvantaged groups) in communication with others and generally shows little respect to other players or their interests when in conflict with his own.
He works for a lack of transparency on issues and affords him self the lack of accountability in his position.
And somehow CCP sees it as fitting to retain this individual as an "ambassador" for the game.
Other than having an alliance capable of getting the votes, there are really no admirable qualities. His continual self acclaimed ego confusing "manipulation" with real leadership qualities is just hilarious in my view and shows a lack of understanding towards real social empowerment.
As such to some extent I do wonder why CCP affords to put up with this influence, as for me it reflects badly on them that they entertain some of the stupid behavoural aspects when representing EvE as a council member.
I have also thought that it might be due to the fact that CCP don't want the drama that could be engulfed on the community if they did take steps to correct this influence. Interestingly I'm unsure what the outcome would be from that, and to some extent I would suspect the income from Goons is still very relevant to them. Should CCP take the view to remove him I would not see it as a dismissal of "freedom of expression" as the Mittani gives no respect to the meaning of this unless it coincides with his own stance. So personally if a ceratin portion of the community is offending the game principles then It might be more healthy in the long run to remove it.
To be honest if the head of the Goons were to be "lanced" like a boil from the face of EvE politics I would imagine there might be uproar for a short term, but I'd imagine a number of the Goons and affliates would still continue to play and press for a similar candidate to further the stupidity. So ultimatley it would be ineffective if the behavoural aspects are not corrected. As a result it might be be a case of "better the devil you know" and trying to accomodate.
There is of course one useful way to remove unwanted interests from the Council. Encourage voting in alternative candidacies and try to remove apathy and ignorance. How you would in any way do this within the Goon community is a different matter. But I think if you want to achieve something you have to work towards it in a number of different platforms. And simply don't give up due to intolerance or predjudice.
"All griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems." |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:39:00 -
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Doctor Eezee wrote:Mu'ad Diib wrote:Doctor Eezee wrote:Mu'ad Diib wrote:[quote=Little Brat] [i]. I also realise that by being readily identifiable in this way, other players have an absolute right to expect, from me, or for that matter any representative of the CSM, the highest and most ethical in game and RL behaviour. Why? Firstly, as a democratically elected representative there is a lot of responsibility on you to have the best interest of the people who gave you a mandate at heart and to act in a way that means that you are respected by others, so that in turn what you say is respected (as this will enable your constituency's views to be properly represented). Secondly, since you are a democratically elected representative it's my feeling that you should act in a way that is consummate with the responsibility that you hold. Acting in a way that is unethical or that lacks integrity makes anything that you advance as a view slightly suspect. Are they raising this because they really care? Or is this another ploy? Put simply, to be respected I think you have to respect others. I don't really think so. Clinton cheated on his wife, but was probably the best president in recent times. I couldn't care less about the personal lifes of politicians. I don't care if you order 10 whores to your house every night, as long as you do your job properly.
Actually that argument is just equatting similary to what Punktani does in game as player to what he does when operating in the capacity of a council member. As such I think you are simply misconstruing that Mu'ad is talking about his political integrity as a Council member.
"All griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems." |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
181
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Posted - 2012.02.16 06:03:00 -
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Scevvin wrote:First off, "Just Another Toon," you realize the irony of calling out an election of alt votes from an alt, right?
Secondly, I would agree with you about the fact of his scamming and ganking are grounds of dismissal, if he were to push CCP to develop the game to make those mechanics easier and more widespread. As I see it, nothing of what he has proposed or done, as well as the rest of the CSM, have advocated or even hinted at providing gankers and scamming an easier way to carry about. Just because you probably got scammed by some goons does not mean you come and wtfrage. Hopefully you are familiar with the term "HTFU;" if not, google is your friend.
In defence of my own statements:
Personally I said that it was his griefing and tolerance of botting in his own alliance that were at fault and reprehensable. I did not mention anything about valid game mechanics such as ganking or scamming.
"All griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems." |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
190
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Posted - 2012.02.16 12:10:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:anyhoo what i learned from this thread is that newbie corp alts are still absolutely furious about me, as are 'csm candidates who can't even get 100 likes and post replies to themselves with their own alts'
so far, so good
You put too much stock in your own abilities. My comments above are a calm reflection of how your contribution or lack of it is effecting EvE.
If you think one post is the essence or grounds for the posting then it only re-inforces your delussions and capabilities to manipulate sincere meaning or deny many similar posts of concious that also hold a similar view. I have not hidden my contempt to your attitude and yet you seem in no way to offer any culpability for your poor influence to EvE.
For which your place on the CCP council could be better given to someone who is more deserving to better help the community and CCP in making EvE a better game for everyone and expanding those interests beyond a "blinkered" view of what EvE is. As such this retracted neglet to interests is likley helping the stagnation of what EvE is or could be.
You don't have to like this view but you will have to accept it as a valid opinion that I stand by.
"All griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems." |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.16 12:14:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Quote:And somehow CCP sees it as fitting to retain this individual as an "ambassador" for the game. What now. I always thought our role was to be an elected voice of the players to CCP. Thus the whole, you know, voting thing.
Manipulate post content much?
Grumpy Owly wrote:There is of course one useful way to remove unwanted interests from the Council. Encourage voting in alternative candidacies and try to remove apathy and ignorance. How you would in any way do this within the Goon community is a different matter. But I think if you want to achieve something you have to work towards it in a number of different platforms. And simply don't give up due to intolerance or predjudice.
"All griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems." |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
191
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:06:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:hello i am new to eve online but LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT ETHICS
Pretty sure Mittens if you were to host a debate about Ethics it would be very similar to this satire. (4 lols)
But please I'd love to hear all about your views on "professional" ethics. 
Griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems.
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Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
191
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:36:00 -
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Igner Greyhound wrote:Reminder that the King of Space has led our corporation into so much corrupt corruption that the entire alliance income and expense sheet is freely posted for even day-old members to review and question. So corrupt! This gives valuable information to our enemies that would normally require grooming of high-level spies, but that is a small price to pay in the name of TOTAL CORRUPTION.
How is that relevant to CSM? Its an IG consideration. Also the last time it was attempted to be published the link needed permissions to enter the public information. Also how do we know this spreadsheet isnt just "public" presented material as opposed to real "private" facts.
Assuming that IG issues matter do we then take all the griefing and scamming related activity attributable to Goons to signify a less than corrupt position? 
Griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems.
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Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
191
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:50:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:*accuses griefers of cowardice*
*hides behind npc corp alt*
*Now revealed*
*Accuses people of integrity*
*hides behind anonymous CSM minutes*
Griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems.
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Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
191
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:56:00 -
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Igner Greyhound wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Igner Greyhound wrote:Reminder that the King of Space has led our corporation into so much corrupt corruption that the entire alliance income and expense sheet is freely posted for even day-old members to review and question. So corrupt! This gives valuable information to our enemies that would normally require grooming of high-level spies, but that is a small price to pay in the name of TOTAL CORRUPTION. How is that relevant to CSM? Its an IG consideration. Also the last time it was attempted to be published the link needed permissions to enter the public information. Also how do we know this spreadsheet isnt just "public" presented material as opposed to real "private" facts. Assuming that IG issues matter do we then take all the griefing and scamming related activity attributable to Goons to signify a less than corrupt position? It's relevant to the first post, since it's one of the stated reasons for disqualification. The info is presented by independent (non director) auditor, and is published in a way that is available to anyone directly affected (alliance members). A corrupt CSM head would want to preserve the ridiculous ISK faucet that is technetium given our moon holdings, but Mittani is strongly in favor of nerfing it. No matter how much you want it to not be true, you are playing a game that freely allows griefing and scamming. Many players in Goonwaffe do it, everyone knows this, yet it keeps happening over and over and over. There is no more reason to disqualify someone from a scamming alliance than there would be to disqualify a player who flies Amarr ships because you think lasers suck.
Nothing against them, they are valid IG mechanics, but like I said I wouldnt blur IG considerations with CSM duties, however if your forcing a consideration of including all IG elements best get your **** together than stupid propoganda.
Of course Mitttens well known capital scam and initiatives like Hulkageddon are not significant issues associated with corruptability? (Again IG stuff, perfectly valid, shouldnt effect CSM, sigh)
Also, the tech moon issue could be viewed as a way of preventing anyone else from profiting from them in the future and yet the Goons have capatilised on their position of having a significant portion of them for a long time. So nerf them, keep the assests associated with their gain prior, still have large number of them still better represented than others anyhow.
Some Goons. Couldn't pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel.
Griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems.
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Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
194
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Posted - 2012.02.16 18:40:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Th greates trick The Mittani pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
You think I'm so serious?
Not sure if Mittens is Turkish.
However some clues to his serious qualities:
The Mittani wrote:I'm actually so completely full of myself when it comes to EVE that the whole CSM thing is pretty ancillary to my "e-identity" compared to leading Goonswarm, which is itself ancillary to my 'true love' in EVE, running espionage in the glory days of spying before Dominion ruined it. Heh. Essentially, the counterargument to "you're just doing this because you're full of yourself" is "actually, i'm so completely full of myself that it doesn't do anything for my ego, my ego is beyond even that." Sad but true! ... i am a sadist with a dire wolf and the only time i enjoy eve online is when i make thousands of people suffer, or acting as a trusted 3rd party for supercap sales mittens 2012 ... Professor Alphane wrote:Malcanis wrote:At the risk of stealing his lines, why should he give two short ***** about what you think of his style? RP style and RL action are to distinctly separate things, both I adressed in my post. But to answer your question DunnoDontCareWasItRelevant.jpg oh, you think i'm 'roleplaying' an arrogant sadist
Griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems.
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Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
196
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Posted - 2012.02.17 01:32:00 -
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Akelorian wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:Goonswarm makes an estimated 617,543,259,988.48 isk per month And in January their loss's amassed to just over 711,000,000,000.00 isk, so obviously not all the isk is going to mittens pocket :)
Tax rate is 15%.
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